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Energy for free - solar farm at sea
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Dave
2022-08-18 18:32:53 UTC
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Not free energy, but renewable energy you don't need to pay for the
land, because it is on the high seas. i.e. no licences or fees, just
pirates and whales to look out for.

Basically a general purpose freighter with about 100 containers ready
for liquid hydrogen (cryogenic). Anyway from the freighter, the crew
deploys inflatable self steering barges with lightweighted solar panels
about 100mx40m big. Nothing on these should be particularly toxic.
After deployment, a man with a bandana on his head and a curly earring
in his left ear goes along and plugs them together.

They are all connected electrically to the ship. So far so good and the
electrolysis begins. Then if it gets rough they unplug themselves and
with the smart steering capability get back to the mothership general
location. Too rough, and then the smarter architects need to work out
the risk of losing non-toxic kit against the costs of robustification,
or bringing them all in, and lost production.

Nor sure how easy it is to transfer the filed containers of hydrogen
back to the port, or if you can transfer them to another ship at sea.
If not, you would sail back, and maybe another takes its place.

With like 1.2GW of generation should get a good return on investment at
current price of green hydrogen, if development is subsidised.
Dave
2022-08-18 18:46:37 UTC
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Post by Dave
Not free energy, but renewable energy you don't need to pay for the
land, because it is on the high seas. i.e. no licences or fees, just
pirates and whales to look out for.
This is an active area of research:
https://www.pv-magazine.com/2021/09/08/what-seawater-and-salt-spray-can-do-to-a-pv-system/
Post by Dave
Basically a general purpose freighter with about 100 containers ready
for liquid hydrogen (cryogenic). Anyway from the freighter, the crew
deploys inflatable self steering barges with lightweighted solar panels
about 100mx40m big.  Nothing on these should be particularly toxic.
After deployment, a man with a bandana on his head and a curly earring
in his left ear goes along and plugs them together.
They are all connected electrically to the ship. So far so good and the
electrolysis begins.  Then if it gets rough they unplug themselves and
with the smart steering capability get back to the mothership general
location.  Too rough, and then the smarter architects need to work out
the risk of losing non-toxic kit against the costs of robustification,
or bringing them all in, and lost production.
Nor sure how easy it is to transfer the filed containers of hydrogen
back to the port, or if you can transfer them to another ship at sea. If
not, you would sail back, and maybe another takes its place.
With like 1.2GW of generation should get a good return on investment at
current price of green hydrogen, if development is subsidised.
Jim Pennino
2022-08-18 19:23:53 UTC
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In sci.physics Dave <***@yahoo.com> wrote:

<snip old crap>
No, it is not, it is a report on how badly seawater and salt spray screw
up solar panels on ships and has nothing to do with pie in the sky solar
farms at sea.
Post by Dave
https://www.pv-magazine.com/2021/09/08/what-seawater-and-salt-spray-can-do-to-a-pv-system/
<snip more old crap>
Jim Pennino
2022-08-18 19:17:17 UTC
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Post by Dave
Not free energy, but renewable energy you don't need to pay for the
land, because it is on the high seas. i.e. no licences or fees, just
pirates and whales to look out for.
Only if you are more than 200 nautical miles out.
Post by Dave
Basically a general purpose freighter with about 100 containers ready
for liquid hydrogen (cryogenic). Anyway from the freighter, the crew
deploys inflatable self steering barges with lightweighted solar panels
about 100mx40m big. Nothing on these should be particularly toxic.
After deployment, a man with a bandana on his head and a curly earring
in his left ear goes along and plugs them together.
They are all connected electrically to the ship. So far so good and the
electrolysis begins. Then if it gets rough they unplug themselves and
with the smart steering capability get back to the mothership general
location. Too rough, and then the smarter architects need to work out
the risk of losing non-toxic kit against the costs of robustification,
or bringing them all in, and lost production.
So where is the big liquidation plant needed to liquify the hydrogen and
where does the 3.3 kWh/kg of energy needed to do it come from?

Why would these barges leave the area of the mothership for any reason
other than transport?

Leaving the area of the mothership conflicts with the concept of
everything being connected electrically.
Post by Dave
Nor sure how easy it is to transfer the filed containers of hydrogen
back to the port, or if you can transfer them to another ship at sea.
If not, you would sail back, and maybe another takes its place.
Yep, you really have this all thought out, don't you?
Post by Dave
With like 1.2GW of generation should get a good return on investment at
current price of green hydrogen, if development is subsidised.
Everything gets a good return on investment if subsidised enough, which
is how a German company made lots of money selling solar power at night
that came from rented diesel generators, until someone noticed the at
night part.

Yet another childish pipe dream with no understanding of the physics,
logistics, legality's or finances involved.

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